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Apologies, as this will be a bit , but it will come back to , I promise.

First, the of views along a single left-right is almost . This has long been known, and alternatives exist that present a much more accurate picture, but the traditional is to " this" and " that" and is lazy, so they'll probably never get better.

One was developed by Jerry .

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C.

- perhaps most widely for being a great science-fiction , frequently in collaboration with Larry and Stephen - was a bit of a polymath. He invented the 2-axis scale now known as a "Pournelle chart" in his political science Ph. D. dissertation, in 1963.

See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pournell

A 1-axis chart misrepresents views or policies so badly you end up with, for example, , , and all close together. (edit: thinko)

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en.wikipedia.orgPournelle chart - Wikipedia

In a Pournelle chart, those three are more easily distinguished because they each have different values on both of the axes of the chart. They form a trajectory from the chart center towards the upper-right extremity.

The for the axes are "" (horizontal) and "" (vertical). These aren't as trivializable as "liberal" and "conservative", so again the lazy media are unlikely to pay attention.

Those labels sound strange, but their meanings are clearer.

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"" is basically a measurement of how much you think a should have over its . If you love and and forcing others to do certain things or not do certain things, you fall to the high end of this scale (rightward).

If you're a John -style , and think everyone should be independent and only engage in entirely voluntary transactions, you fall to the low, leftward end of that scale.

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The vertical axis, "", is a little fuzzier concept. A common definition is something like how much you believe that , can solve society's .

If you think we can solve every problem, if only we had the correct government program, or civilian association supporting it, or work hard enough, or if we , etc, then you fall at the top end of this scale.

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If you are that these sorts of large-scale, centrally-planned can solve social problems that have existed in for hundreds or thousands of years, then you fall towards the bottom end of the axis.

If you think about your in these two areas, you might find yourself at where you fit on the chart, and what other belief systems fall near you. It's a lot more than the left-right single axis.

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Even more interestingly, think about and that you think you mostly share your with. See where you with them, and how that might represent differences on these two axes, and where your guesses about their values would put them on the chart.

You might find that people you thought believed "mostly like me" are quite close on one axis, but far apart on the other.

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So, to start looping back to - it's a bit of a journey...

All of the semi-serious or serious parties - , , , New Democrat in alphabetical order - fall in the upper-right quadrant of the chart. They're not even particularly close to the center; the closest to the center would be the Conservatives, but they're only a tiny bit closer than the Liberals, a bit more than the others.

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I would put all four of those parties at 4 (out of 5) or higher on the axis, and 4 or higher on the rationalism axis as well. This also goes for other national parties that have come and gone or merged or split - Progressive Conservatives, CCP, etc.

That means they all occupy a space representing only 4% of the chart.

No wonder the public thinks "the parties are all the same" and "whatever they promise they all just do the same thing". It's literally true!

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Seen from this perspective, the belief systems of the national parties barely differ at all.

96% of the chart area does not have a anywhere near it.

You can argue what the distribution of actual peoples' political views along these axes is, but no matter how you do it, the numbers will come up showing that our national parties don't even come close to covering a majority of the public's views.

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I think that this is the cause of our , at-each-others'-throats .

There are about how the closer your views are to someone else, without being identical, the more you hate each other.

See jokebuddha.com/joke/The_Hereti , or the common remark that "academic politics are so vicious because the stakes are so small" (Sayre's Law).

Our parties are all bunched up in a , each other because they're basically all the .

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www.jokebuddha.comThe Heretic JokeThe Heretic Joke: Walking across a bridge one day, one man saw another man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So the first man ran over and said, Stop! Don't do... the joke is just one of many funny jokes on Joke Buddha!

I know that there are no Canadian parties that even come close to my . Perhaps you feel the same, and think that makes you a , or so far away from the median that you can't reveal your actual views.

You're not a freak. 96% of the has no Canadian party representing it at all.

I think this is why so many people - a large , I think - suffer from in .

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I'd like to wrap up by saying I have a to fix these things, and restore a , politics in Canada.

But I can't.

I don't think there are solutions. Starting a brand-new, national-scope political party in Canada (or in many other countries) is a fools' game. The make it as difficult as possible to make any inroads that way. You end up having a few guaranteed losses where you actually run candidates, and if you're lucky, your party leader is elected.

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I don't think you can meaningfully the views of the extant parties to move them closer to where your beliefs land on the chart.

Anyone see an easy, direct way of fixing this?

All I can see at the moment is a possible starting . Stop about "" vs. "" politics. people who are interested in politics the , and how to place their own belief systems on it.

the for using the left-right shortcut.

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if we can get people out from the of left-vs-right, which whole of from the , and amplifies differences between our current parties into us-vs-them thinking, they can start thinking about real , and real , between political views.

Maybe we can start them without each other.

Maybe we can make some , and the end up with a party to them.

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