@cynical13 @zenbrowser After being an early fan, i more or less abandoned #ZenBrowser several months ago, for its terrible unreliability, & various feature developments either of no interest to me, or which i actively disliked. Last week i decided to give it another chance... but in less than 24 hours it broke itself again [my various UI customisations reset to default], & lost all my tabs again.

Consequently:

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@mauro Otoh i am officially #FUD-free.

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@giorgiolucas @Vivaldi I trust the company coz i trust the senior peeps, who came from Opera Presto. However i dislike the chromium base coz i dislike google, & now that #Mv2 has been forcibly replaced by #Mv3, thus killing #uBO, & additionally html5 fingerprinting can't be blocked, I shan't use Vivaldi again.

@MsDropbear42 Oh ffs, this latest experiment with #ZenBrowser has ended after only a few hours, due to yet another catastrophic failure, preceded by various annoyances:

• the dedicated Search Bar refused to show the drop-down menu of alternative search engines [works fine in and ]
• the #Stylus AO refused to respond to clicks on its various usage & management icons in its drop-down menu [works fine in and ]
• a link i opened from my Masto #Statuzer page decided to behave like i'd used #Glance [i did not], then when i converted it into a normal tab, entirely froze the Statuzer tab
• wondering if possibly restarting Zen might fix the above, i tried to do so, which then destroyed my carefully crafted Zen profile... what ensued was a UI without various standard changes i'd made [eg, the Search Bar was gone again, the native tabs bar refused to Collapse again], but worst of all, all my open tabs were gone... again

My dear old might be less pretty, less visually exciting, & might not have native split tabs, but far out it is & remains way way waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more reliable than Zen. I mean, it's really a bit silly... is Alpha, is Beta, yet the former is generally rock solid reliable in the ~decade i've been using it. Otoh, all my experiments with Zen, over the past ~12-18 months, have ended in disappointment, frustration, & often also destruction.

So, yet again, i return to...

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@dpecos @Vivaldi Coz my actions & decisions are predicated on facts, not #FUD, until actual adverse facts emerge [wildly speculative bush-lawyering are not "facts"], ufn i remain happily...

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@linuxnews ne ne. Da wird nichts blockiert. Grün unter #uBlockOrigin bedeutet "allow"

@kkarhan @wdjorth I had already lost faith in the Vivaldi project before the #Mv3 shitfest, but that was the final nail in the coffin for me. Any & every browser that stops me using the full version of #uBO #uBlockOrigin [as well as several other extensions important to my UX], is no browser for me.

@Bot4Sale @SpaceLifeForm Actually, for me anyway, it does not need to be an extension per se. I use #uBlockOrigin in Advanced Mode, & over the past decade or so have accumulated many tens of thousands of custom dynamic filters & static rules. I'm sure that #uBO should be capable of serving nicely here, only this complexity of putative custom rule is far more than my own skillset.

@kkarhan @karlauerbach @adamshostack Fwiw...

So many peeps are writing so much stuff about the badness of #Firefox [due to the mismanagement by #Mozilla], & the "imminent" end of the Fox road if/when gargle stops funding Mozilla. I have a certain sympathy with such views. However it's the next part that gobsmacks me... all the despairing Foxers already abandoning FF, & jumping to some chromium poison. Far out, talk about an exercise in foot gun bang

Certainly, i dunno what the Fox Future will be, but jumping now at shadows seems perverse. By all means, let's jump some indeterminate time in the future if FF becomes actually dead, but for now, all i know is that my #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf...

@elkcityhazard What do you mean? Afaik #Firefox will continue with full #Mv2 capability indefinitely, thus ensuring ongoing #uBO viability in the Foxes. What am i misunderstanding?