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Orc is not a later term than goblin, although only goblin occurs in "The Hobbit". Both are used synonymously in "Fall of Gondolin" (1917). The orcs ride inside metal dragons, obvious contemporary references to WW1 tanks. The first orcs were German soldiers.

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@HansLWernitz Die Frau und ihr Verhältnis zum Madman erinnert mich irgendwie an den #HerrderRinge.

Dort ist es ja Grima Schlangenzunge, der dem von Saruman umnachteten und zur Marionette gemachten König Theoden übelste Ratschläge gibt.

Aktuelle Rollenverteilung: #Loomer als Grima, #Trump als Theoden und natürlich #Putin als Saruman.

Ich sage ja immer, man kann alles aus den Werken von #Tolkien ableiten. Großartig!

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There's a strange preoccupation with underground rivers in the first version av The Fall of Gondolin. First Tuor travels down one of them to get out of Dor-lómin. Then after a huge aimless detour he travels up another one to get into Gondolin.

It's pretty neat in Tolkien's mature work how when characters and events from the 1st Age pop up in the 3rd Age, they're not just revenants from Middle-Earth's youth. They're also callbacks to material written in Tolkien's own youth. Like the ancient swords in the troll den in The Hobbit. Like the Balrog in LotR.

In "The Fall of Gondolin", #Tolkien informs us that the fountains before the doors of the king's palace shot 27 fathoms into the air, that is, 49.4 metres. This suggests an earlier version of the text where the fountains were 50 metres tall, and that Tolkien *calculated* how many fathoms this was when he switched to an older unit of measurement.